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The Dragon Has Two Tongues 3/3 Gwyn Williams, Wynford Vaughan-Thomas


Why is this program not available on DVD. Why has the BBC not produced a good documentary on Welsh History since this came out? In 1985 I remember it well!


March 4, 2009 - Posted by | Uncategorized


  1. I had forgotten about that programme. I liked the contrast between Wynford Vaughn-Thomas and.. and Glyn. Damn I’ve forgotten his name!

    THanks for linking I will return the compliment

    Comment by jams o donnell | March 5, 2009 | Reply

  2. Interesting contrasting views.

    Comment by Stonemason. | March 5, 2009 | Reply

  3. Quite right, too. For my money the most important TV series ever made about Welsh history. A 13 part argument about the very historiography of Wales? Nobody would make it today.

    Full programme details can be found on the BFI website here.

    We should start a campaign to get it released on DVD.

    Comment by Adam | March 5, 2009 | Reply

    • Spot on Adam. WV-T and Gwyn A. Williams present us with two profoundly different views on the social development of contemporary Wales.
      This forces the viewer to make critical choices about which view they choose to buy into. It’s well overdue for a re-airing – I’m sure that there’s
      a contemporary audience for programmes of this quality.

      Comment by Andrew | October 10, 2012 | Reply

      • I am forgot that I had this blog until I saw your comment for moderation so my apologies for taking so long to moderate

        Comment by Michael | October 10, 2012

  4. It was a HTV production which may explain its lack of availability on DVD or VHS, unlike Frank Delaney’s program on the Celts which you can find anywhere (even in Dodge City).

    I believe that Wales’s lack of profile in the World is why this masterpiece is hard to get! I say it now and I have said it in the past Until Wales gets out and shout we will just be a funny little country like Albania or Krgistan. Some years ago I wrote to Mike German when he was DFM in Rhodri’s first administration about how I thought the new British in Consulate General in Denver had no real material on Wales.

    Yes Stonemason that was the great thing about it. Here you had two giants of Welsh culture spouting forth about their view of Welsh history.

    Adam I agree lets start a campaign let it begin now.

    Comment by Ely Voice | March 5, 2009 | Reply

  5. Brilliant -thanks for bringing it back

    Comment by Valleys Mam | March 5, 2009 | Reply

  6. Will be interesting to see the comparison between “The Dragon….” and this

    Comment by Mike Norbury | February 14, 2012 | Reply

    • Hi Mike, I agree! I watched the first episode its great but lacks the character of TDDH2T.

      Comment by Michael | March 2, 2012 | Reply

      • Yes, Michael. Despite the technology and (probably) better historical accuracy on some things the new programme seems a little clinical to me. Perhaps it will “warm up” in the next episodes but I really thought that they could have managed that with the Welsh Princes. On a more personal note it has been very noticable that, despite the map clearly showing that North-East Wales has been most definitely Welsh for so many centuries the only two mentions have been the Ruthin massacre and the fact that Offa’s Dyke ends “up near Wrexham”.

        Comment by Mike Norbury | March 2, 2012

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